Having trouble with the CSLB?

Are you having trouble with the CSLB? Join the fight by contacting your State Assembly Member’s office or your State Senator’s office.

Having trouble with the CSLBI have been suggesting to applicants that they get their State Representative involved for some time now and within the last few weeks I have heard from several people who have done just that. Who is your State Representative?

The benefit of this is: 1) The CSLB will respond to a political inquiry much faster than they will respond to you. Sad, but true. 2) Once you get the CSLB reply via the law maker, reply to the CSLB back through the law maker. Keep them involved. 3) The more pressure they get from law makers the more they might think about fixing the current mess in the licensing department. 4) The more the politicians hear about this, the more they may be inclined to look into what the CSLB is doing.

So don’t take no for answer!

My bet is the CSLB knows that what they are doing is illegal. They know that they created far too many underground regulations to go unnoticed. At some point, they’ll be called to the carpet and their jobs will be at stake. In the meantime, I think they’ll give the squeaky wheels the grease just to make you go away and to keep anyone from really looking into what they’re doing.

Remember, get everything from the CSLB in writing. If you are able to talk to a CSLB staff member on the phone and they ask you to provide something, tell them to send you the request in writing.

Make them provide the specific law or regulation that gives them the authority to do what they’re doing, or to ask for what they’re asking for. Just “because they say so” only works between a parent and child. They are a State agency that has to follow the rule of law. They don’t have the luxury of making up the rules as they go along, or changing the rules on a whim.

So if you’re having trouble with the CSLB, take a stand and fight back. We live in a democracy and you have every right as a citizen of this Country, and of this State, to contact your elected representatives if you feel the government is over-stepping its boundaries!

“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.” The Declaration of Independence

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CSLB Investigation Opinion

I received an email via my contact form on my website. I don’t know what prompted this person to send me this, other than to give their opinion about the CSLB investigators.

Here’s their comment, untouched and not modified. cslb investigation opinion

“with and in fact most likely shoved into someone elses pile of folders. Make sure to cover yourself with confirmations of documents received. Make sure to double check with the people that filled out work experience forms on your behalf to see if they received phone calls or further documentation to fill out…because investigators will say they left messages but never was able to verify with previous employers. It’s part of the game, job security for them. Request to speak with a supervisor when you get nowhere with an investigator. Get a face to face meeting and bring a binder with each job tabbed showing, length of time, 1099 or W2 to back it up, permits (if applicable), work experience form filled out by the verifier, and a letter from the verifier stating specific duties you performed in relation to the classification you are going to be licensed for. Cross your T’s and dot your I’s and document everything, organize it and state your case. Do it sooner rather than later because they will give you no more than 30 days to do so, and when they extend it to 60 make sure you request a legal hearing to protect yourself, or you will have to start all over again! Don’t take the investigators word that they are still reviewing because they are not, you must be pro-active and get that face to face meeting with the supervisor. This is the only way that CSLB will start realizing that most of the investigators are really not even doing their job and most likely don’t have a clue on how to do it! I was shocked at the lack of organization and mess of notes and scribble the investigator showed me…they should be ashamed of such a poor representation of their investigative department.”

Do you have a CSLB Investigation Opinion that you’d like to share. Please, feel free to email me. I will keep your name anonymous.

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CSLB Fun Facts

CSLB Fun Facts can be very entertaining, it not a treasure trove of deceit.

cslb agency of deceitHere is a Q&A in the CSLB Licensing section of their website that I find very entertaining. I’ll give my thoughts on the other side of each Q&A.

Q. I have been a property manager for four (4) years at an apartment complex. Does this experience count as journeyman?

A. This could be very difficult to prove as verifiable experience because you do not complete any one (1) trade on a regular basis for four (4) years. If you want to apply for a C-36 Plumbing license you must show that you performed plumbing every day for four (4) full years, for approximately eight (8) hours per day.

It’s saying that in order to qualify for a license, you must have worked at that trade for 8 hrs a day for 4 yrs. If this is true, how does anyone qualify for the B-General license? Since you have to have experience in at least two unrelated trades, and framing (maybe/maybe not), how can you perform all of those trades for 8 hrs a day each for 4 yrs? You can’t. It’s impossible!

Next CSLB Fun Fact ~

Q. What is journey-level experience?

A. Journey-level exeprience (I didn’t correct their typo) applies to a person who has completed an apprenticeship program or is an experienced worker, not a trainee, and is fully qualified and able to perform a specific trade without supervision. However, that person does not have a license and is not able to contract for jobs that are more than $500 in labor and materials.

So a journeyman is someone who can perform a specific trade without supervision. Again, how does someone qualify for the B-General classification? Assuming their definition of “specific trade” is a single specialty classification, i.e. C10, C27, C33 etc.

Next CSLB Fun Fact ~

Q. I worked for myself since I was 16 years old. I am now 21. Does that qualify for four (4) years of journeyman experience?

A. If you submit verifiable evidence that you worked full-time for the last four (4) years, you may qualify, depending on the trade. Verifiable evidence includes, but is not limited to, invoices, income tax reports, 1099s, and copies of contracts. If you were paid in cash and kept no records and filed no taxes, it will be difficult for you to prove you actually did any work.

An important aspect of being a journeyman who is ready to be a contractor is knowing how a business is run and demonstrating that knowledge whether you are licensed or not. Depending on the trade, you also need to prove one (1) to four (4) years of apprentice experience in addition to the four (4) years of journeyman time.

Let’s break this down… The first sentence states “verifiable evidence that you worked full-time…” So even though they say they’ll accept “self-employed” experience, that fun fact must not apply to 21 year olds. And why is it depending on the trade? There is nothing in the law that makes one trade different than the other in regards to how the application is processed. They also don’t mention here that if you are 23 or under, they label you a “young journeyman” and make you prove your experience no matter what classification you are applying for.

The second paragraph again states “depending on the trade, you also need to prove 1-4 yrs of apprenticeship experience.” That’s a new one. I’ve been up and down the contractors license law and have never seen any requirement to show apprenticeship training. Unless they’re referring to the electricians certification requirement. Either way, that language is not in the law.

That’s all the CSLB Fun Facts for today. I’ll have more soon so stay tuned.

It’s all here in black and white: http://www.cslb.ca.gov/Journeymen/JourneymenFAQ.asp

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